Being laid off kept Tiger from hitting a bad right-to-left miss. Haney in his book says that ideally he would like Tiger on plane, but if? Tiger didn't 'own' his swing, it was better for him to be laid off, which would result in a less severe left-to-right miss. Short story: it's to keep from missing to the left.

He felt that in the swing tiger had with butch tiger was way across the line at the top and the reason you couldnt see this alot of the time was because butch wanted tiger to keep his swing slightly shorter.. When Tiger was swinging it at his best with haney it was perfectly on plane and only appeared laid off when it wasnt a 3/4 swing or just not a full swing :-)?

I don't see his torso stopping until he is at the very top. If you watch his hips closely, when they come to a complete stop, Tiger is at the very top and immediately begins? his downswing. It may be hard to see because the hip/torso turn slows at the very top, but it's there.

I don't completely understand how Tiger generates enough power with Foley's swing to hit the ball as far as he does. If you watch closely he starts the swing with his arms and chest turning as one, but after the torso has turned? as far as it can (or he wants it to) the swing looks like he is just raising his arms to position which should not gain any power if not lose power too. Maybe its just that shot that that happens in.

@grantsoe Haney decided to keep Tiger more laid-off at the top of his swing because Tiger had a tendency to become stuck in his swing: body far ahead of arms on downswing, leading to the club to drop behind his hands; this would lead to balls? left to the right. Or another characteristic is too much hand action. By having the club pointed to the left of target at the top, Tiger would be less likely to get stuck from a laid-off position than from across the line, as he swing was? with Harmon.

Could someone tell me what Haney's reasoning? was for wanting Tiger to keep the club more laid off at the top?

I respect what you're saying and it appears to be the perceived wisdom....... however I personally believe TW has knee problems simply because his left? knee is a weak point that has had to endured hundreds of thousands of golf shots, and nothing more. The knees are always going to be stressed and Tiger's eventually gave way. Also the Chronic problems happened with Haney in 2008 years after Harmon..... I can imitate all of these techniques and the 2000 swing causes no specific knee issues at all.

He has had to change his swing from that because all the force of the swing was being transferred into his? left knee. That is why he had to have 4 surgeries on his left knee. He can't swing that away anymore because he would cut his golf career short by many years

In my opinion the best thing Tiger could do would be to shake? of the cobwebs, loosen himself up and try to find this 2000 swing again. I think he'd find his rhythm improve immeasurably and his driver start to function as it should........ Can he swing like this again? absolutely

If you watch his drives from 2000 there was full extension to the finish with the shaft almost slapping his back like some? long drive competitors........ he swung through to the end in a smooth and wide motion. Everything clears through very athletically. He also is swing fairly upright, indeed more so than with Haney an very much more than with Foley (I can do this swing, but it's not for me, soo mechanical and uncomfortable) The swing's of Haney and Foley just seem far more contrived.

His 2000? swing is the best for me..... remember there is no one correct way to swing the golf club. Tiger is such a good athlete that he can make many swing techniques work for him. However I think for his body type (broad shoulders, narrow hips, strong, very flexible, powerful) that Harmon's is the most suitable. The 2000 swing is wide arc'd and fluid, plus it allows him to maintain his spine angle better than Haney....... the result is very long and consistent shots.

I said straighten to varying degrees. The right leg should be allowed to do what it naturally wants to do on the backswing. If it wants to straighten a little bit to give more hip rotation on the way back, so be it. I'm saying a player who purposefully tears his hips open to initiate the downswing should not be purposefully retarding his NATURAL? lower body action on his backswing. I'm not saying purposefully straighten the leg, I'm saying let it do what it wants to do.

I agree and as a matter fact, Tigers swing in those years was closer? to Hogans.

Actually computer models, video analysis of the greatest ballstrikers and modern kinesiology of the golf swing, have shown that the right knee normally holds its flex. On the downswing the flex of the right leg is further increased and a lowering of the body occurs. Now Stack and Tilt has a different approach, I am not saying they are wrong.? They just have a new way of trying to swing the club.

Actually Hogan wrote and spoke about not straightening the right and left leg in the swing. Extension after impact was another thing that Hogan, Snead, Byron and other great ballstrikers spoke about? as being very important. I think you are right if someone believes the club head goes down the target line long after impact. But with modern computers anyone can easily see the tremendous extension that all great ball strikers achieve post impact.

The top 20 players in the owgr all maintain some type of flex in there right knee on the way back. Kuchar and Simpson? are the closest to completely straightening it, but other then that all of them keep some flex maintained. Are they not considered great ball strikers?

Really, straighten your left leg? If you don't have some bend in your right knee it will cause you to lose balance, and connection. Which leads to a loss off power and accuracy. Have you ever actually tried to golf with a straight right leg? The muscles in your body work in sync much better when they're well connected, which is unattainable when you don't have flex in the knee .You cleary have no understanding of kinesiology or biomechanics with? that statement.

Haney taught him about parallel planes and to drop his hands straight down from the top of the backswing to hit the inside of the ball.? Look at his rehearsal swing now. He's trying to do the opposite because that clearly led to loss of distance and control. Tiger's coaches keep teaching him rubbish that leads to long term ball striking issues. He wins tournaments with his putter not his long game. Tiger will have a 4th coach in a few years attempting to correct what Foley is doing.

The dumb commentators and media all rave about how quick Tigers hip speed is, but it's not. And he himself has actually been led into beleiving that he has some freakish hips. All people his age can quickly open their hips up. The reason his "hips outrace his upper body" is because of Harmon's maintaining of the right knee flex which restricts his hips too much so they start the downswing ahead of his upper? body.

The truth is that Harmon wasn't responsible for the 2000 swing. Tiger came up with the idea and wanted to change his 97 Masters swing himself. Things Butch taught Tiger: 1) Shake hands with the target. We all know now in today's age how harmful this advice actually is. 2) Keep your right knee flexed on the backswing. I'm willing to bet my life on it that this is why Tiger struggles with the block. Look at? Hogan and other great ballstrikers' swings, their right legs straighten to varying degrees.

If you take a step back and think about it, how could Tiger be benefitting from advice from a bunch of hackers. The only reason they are teachers is because they failed at the game. I truly beleive if Tiger did without a coach and? figured it out on his own he would have many more rounds of 14 fairways and 18 greens. The guy has the greatest mental strength of any athlete to ever play sport and a supreme athletic build yet his ballstriking is far from amazing.

I? have come to realise after endless hours of research on the golf swing (especially on the old great ball strikers like Knudson and Hogan)and a serious thirst for knowledge that Tiger played great under Harmon and Haney INSPITE of them. I think Foley's use of science makes him the best of the 3 but I still think Tiger would be better without him. Tiger would be in another league if he just practiced for hours on end and figured it out for himself like Hogan did. 1) The stuff Harmon teaches

I instead think this will help him? for even more consistency, a shorter backswing too! And he is also not anymore diving as with other instructors harmon, haney..

What are you insane. Haney just had him rounding off his backswing plane. Which has nothing to do with? how his knee moves. Tiger's knee has moved the same way his whole career until he had that surgery in 2008. And Tiger started working with Haney in 2004, so obviously Haney didn't help his knee since he had to have acl surgery in 2008. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Be more humble next time.